ROTESAND (1)

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ROTESAND (1)

Post by Henk » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:47 pm

ROTESAND (1)
1907 - 1919
Schleppschiffahrts Gesellschaft Unterweser - Bremen
Delivered August 1906 by W. Chalmers & Co.Ltd.- Rutherglen/Hull. (144)
30,91 x x 5,80 x 3,04 x m.
155 grt.
3 cylinder Triple Expansion from Humber Iron Works
400 ihp
In the fleet in May 1907 named DOUGLAS II from Otto Warland - Bremen.
Sold 18-12-1919 renamed HOLMEN II by Holmens Bruks & Fabriks A/B - Norrköping.

Until 1907 named DOUGLAS II with London Railway (Bailey & Leetham Ltd.)- Hull.
13-09-1914 confiscated by Kaiserliche Werft - Wilhelmshaven.
In 1915 as Schiffssperre for the river Jade.
In 1959 broken-up at E.W.Malmqvist - Norrköping.

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Re: ROTESAND (1)

Post by davidships » Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:25 am

That's interesting, Henk. She was never registered in UK.

If she was indeed built for a railway company, that would have been the North Eastern Railway Co, Hull, like her sister DOUGLAS (Yd 143). It looks as if she was unwanted by them and left with the engine builder for resale - Bailey and Leatham were the owners of the Humber Iron Works (and are shown as the engine builder in Lloyd's Register).
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Re: ROTESAND (1)

Post by yorkieman » Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:06 pm

That's a new one for me, must admit had not noticed her in the Clyde-built list. She does not appear in the book on Bailey & Leetham, or in 'Railway & other Steamers'. It seems unlikely that the NER would have intended to name her the same as the preceding vessel with II added.
My assumption is that she was ordered by the NER but they did not take delivery for whatever reason, and she was given the temporary name DOUGLAS II by Chalmers and resold ... there seems little logic in her being resold by her engine builders unless there was some serious engine fault, which seems unlikely as they had completed the earlier tug it seems without problems. And by then she would presumably have been registered in UK/Hull even for trials?
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Re: ROTESAND (1)

Post by davidships » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:10 pm

You didn't overlook her, George; she wasn't there until this morning!

Whatever the story is of these two tugs, I am sure the key is Bailey & Leetham. They built the engines for both (yet neither appear in the Credland/Greenwood book). The first DOUGLAS of 1905 was initially registered to Sir John Sherburn and then shortly transferred to North Eastern Railway. I had assumed that he was something to do with the railway company, but he was in fact the largest shareholder and a director of B&L (and Walter S Bailey's son was Walter Douglas Bailey). It is, I suspect, significant also that by 1905 B&L was in the rather long-drawn-out process of liquidation.

Whether the railway company had any involvement in the placing of the orders for these two tugs, or whether they merely accepted to take one from Bailey & Leetham, remains to be seen.

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Re: ROTESAND (1)

Post by Jaap Bijl » Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:19 am

I have:
1907 DOUGLAS II, Bailey & Leetham Ltd. / London & North Eastern Railway Co., Hull.
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Re: ROTESAND (1)

Post by johnfearon » Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:41 pm

yorkieman wrote:She does not appear in the book on Bailey & Leetham...
Most grateful if you can possibly give the bibliographic reference for that book.

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Re: ROTESAND (1)

Post by yorkieman » Sun Mar 16, 2014 5:56 pm

John

"Bailey & Leetham"
Arthur Credland & Richard Greenwood
Published in 2002 by Ships in Focus Publications
18 Franklands
Longton
Preston PR4 5PD
£8.00 plus postage
ISBN 1 901703 43 6
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Re: ROTESAND (1)

Post by johnfearon » Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:07 pm

That was quick! Many thanks, yorkieman.

My interest is in a quick succession of steam yachts owned by Walter S. Bailey 1880s/ 1890s.

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