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Torch

Post by japottinger » Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:22 pm

In Victoria Harbour Greenock
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Re: Torch

Post by Malim Sahib » Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:36 pm

A very smart little ship, would have been a great addition for any maritime museum.
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Re: Torch

Post by davidwat » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:12 pm

This pic would have been taken in the early fifties, after the cargo warehouses which used to be between the two harbours had burned down. It was caused by spontaneous combustion in a load of copra which had been discharged recently. Torch and other tugs nearby had to be let go by their watchman to stop them being consumed by the raging fire. My old man always praised the nightwatchman on Torch that evening for saving the ship. He said, when it comes to ships, you don't need brains, just common bloody sense--------which is not common.
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Re: Torch

Post by japottinger » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:05 am

Hello David,
it was taken later than that as only had Voigtlander Vito B from about 1958, and would guess that this was taken in the 1960's.
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Re: Torch

Post by davidwat » Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:02 pm

Hi Jim,

I,m sure it wasn't the sixties because my old man retired in March 1963, and the warehouses were away long before that. And I'm pretty sure the fire happened before I went to sea in 1957.
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Re: Torch

Post by japottinger » Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:07 pm

Have to differ on this one Dave because my first 35mm camera was not bought until later than that .

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Re: Torch

Post by davidwat » Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:58 pm

OK Jim,

Will see if the Maclean Museum has anything in their Tele records.
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Re: Torch

Post by davidwat » Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:25 pm

Hi Jim, the Tele rides to the rescue, once again.

Greenock Telegraph. Tuesday 28th September. 1954.

80 FIREMEN FOUGHT BIG BLAZE IN HARBOUR.
SHIPS PULLED TO SAFETY AS SHED WAS BURNING.

Twenty firemen were still on duty late this forenoon at the Victoria Harbour where, during the night, a shed containing 500 tons of Palm Kernels went up in flames and damaged vessels lying at the west arm of the dock.
Although the raging flames were controlled by about 0130 hours this morning the ruined kernels and shed were still smouldering 10 hours later. The shed and contents are considered a total loss.
At the height of the blaze 80 firemen along with Navymen from the Boom Defence vessels Martinet and Barglow fought the flames. 15 fire engines from all over the West of Scotland, including 2 from Glasgow, rushed to the Victoria Harbour after the alarm had been given.
About 0025 hours Police Inspector J. Anderson and Constable J. Green were on duty in Rue-End Street when they saw flames from the shed. They immediately raised the alarm, and just after they had done so were approached by Raymond Crow (24), stoker-mechanic on the Boom Defense vessel Martinet, who had also seen the fire.
Appliances from Greenock under the command of Company Officer J. Ferrie were first on the scene. It was seen immediately that there was no hope of saving the 200 yards long shed which was ablaze from end to end.
Company Officer Ferrie contacted the Greenock Station and said he required 15 engines to control the blaze. Reinforcements were hurriedly brought from Gourock, Port Glasgow, Paisley, Johnstone, Sandyford, Darnley, Barrhead and Glasgow.
The firemen were badly handicapped. They could not approach the shed from the west arm of the harbour because of the intense heat. On the East India Harbour side they were hampered by the presence of a dozen railway wagons which were also damaged by the blaze. Several pumps were directed on the shed from the other side of the wagons until the fire was dampened down enough for them to fight it from the west arm of the Victoria Harbour.
Meanwhile, several vessels berthed alongside the shed were threatened with destruction----the tugs Warrior and Thunderer, and the Clyde Lighthouse Trust tender, Torch. Shortly after the outbreak was discovered, three seamen, Allan John Groves (31), HMS Barglow, and James Mansfield (20) and William Pollock (22) from HMS Martinet, rowed across from these vessels at the north-west end of the harbour and slipped the mooring ropes of the tugs and Torch. They then jumped onboard the Warrior and threw overboard a lifeboat which was on fire. Police and civilians, along with the crew of the Martinet pulled the Thunderer to safety,, and the Torch, which had also caught fire, was also pulled clear. The Torch was loaded with inflammable gas (Coal Gas) used for buoys, and Column Officer John Craig said today that there had been "great danger" that this vessel would blow up.
This morning the Warrior, the worst damaged vessel, was still alongside at the harbour. One of her lifeboats was destroyed and there was extensive damage to woodwork and superstructure on the port side forward.
Paintwork and superstucture on the port sides of the Thunderer and Torch were also badly scorched.
Flames shot nearly 100 feet into the sky when the fire was at its height and the firemen were constantly in danger from the intense heat and falling debris. Two Greenoc k firemen---Company Officer Ferrie and Section Leader PeterMacdougal were slightly injured by sparks, but were able to continue duty after first-aid.
The blaze may have been caused by spontaneous combustion.

So there we go, Jim. You know the date you pic was taken, and I now know the exact date of the fire.

An interesting point is how well the article was written-------they actually used punctuation!!!!
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Re: Torch

Post by Deepol » Tue May 16, 2017 9:23 am

Launched on May 16th 1924. I took this at Greenock in 1976.
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