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The Future of the Clyde

Post by Allan » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:18 pm

I’m sure, as anyone who has been monitoring the movements on the river will have observed, that there is a marked decline in the number of ships traversing the river.

My current plan (as evident) is to open a new thread in order that others can post their comments and thoughts on this matter?

I intend to do some research on the subject, based on the “Arrivals” section of this website – not putting a time limit on this, as it could be rather complex – but would welcome any other members’ comments on this subject?
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Re: The Future of the Clyde

Post by iainnevill » Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:31 pm

I am grateful for this new thread because I have just returned from Liverpool where I viewed the new LIVERPOOL2 Deep Water Container Terminal, which is a massive development similar in scale to London Gateway where the quayside is constructed out into the ship channel from dredged and pumped materials. It is capable of dealing with the largest vessels afloat, and like our beloved Clyde is situated on the WEST COAST of the island of Great Britain.

A few years on CLYDESITE there was much speculation on the construction of such a terminal on the Clyde and many commented on our natural advantages, however with this new West Coast development I fear that there is little chance of any major development coming to the Clyde anytime soon.

As both the Mersey and the Clyde are part of the Peel Ports Group and that they have just spent £400,000,000. I would be surprised if our facilities will change to any great extent, although there may well be an increase in Feeder traffic from Liverpool.

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Re: The Future of the Clyde

Post by clydesider » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:36 pm

In order to attract the mega cruise ships now in service and those under construction, the quay at Greenock Ocean Terminal will need to be extended at some point in the very near future.
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Re: The Future of the Clyde

Post by Colin Campbell » Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:38 pm

Allan, Wonder if this info is of any use to you. My father was a Deputy Harbour Master covering Meadowside and Merklands and for some reason I noted a selection of arrivals 1962.

2/7 GLOXINIA from Fremantle Barley Sailed 9/7 for Toledo
4/7 PROSPERO from Baieu Comeau Grain Sailed 11/7 Tail of the Bank for orders
4/7 MERCHANT ROYAL from Mexico sailed 10/7 lightship
27/7 SUSSEX TRADER from Montreal wheat
2/8 IRISH POPLAR Baieu Comeau Grain
4/8 JEDMOOR Cape Town Grain
10/8 TANTRA Baieu Comeau Grain
16/8 INVICTA Baidu Comeau Grain
18/8 HELENUS Australian Ports via Liverpool Merklands
27/8 RONSARD Rosario via Yorkhill Basin Grain & General
10/9 DAHLIA Baieu Comeau Grain
14/9 HARLINGEN Rotterdam part Grain
16/9 AGHIOS NICOLAAOS Churchill Grain
18/9 THISTLEDOWNE Freemantle grain
23/9 RAPHAEL Rosario Grain 7 General
27/9 CIRCASSIA Bombay 7 Karachi via Liverpool Merklands
27/9 WESERSTEIN Gladstone, Australia Milo?
4/10 VANCOUVER CITY Churchill Wheat
8/10 SEVERITY Kings Lynn Wheat
10/10 ALARIC Sydney Wheat
12/10 CIDERELLA Beira Maize
7/11 Mystic Australian Ports Merklands
14/11 HMS DIANA portland Merklands Visit
14/11 IRISH CEDAR Pascagoula Grain
16/11 WELSH CITY Port Elizabeth Maize
30/11 LOCH AVON Cristobal via Liverpool General Merklands
1/12 IRISH LARCH Sorel, Canada Grain
4/12 MAYTHORN Coleraine to load grain for Newcastle
6/12 ARCADIAN Haifa Merklands fruit
8/12 PATAGONIA Vancouver Grain
24/12 KINNAIRD CASTLE Mombassa via Belfast General Merklands

Sad but all the ships, all the shipowners, Meadowside and Merklands Wharfs all gone.
The Michell Library has samples of Arrivals & Departure Berthing Registers in the Top Floor Archive Section
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Re: The Future of the Clyde

Post by Allan » Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:05 pm

Many thanks guys for your replies – nice to see new narrative posts on this site……

Liverpool 2 Deep Water Container Terminal
Had a look at the detail here, seems mega in terms of investment value – accept wholeheartedly there is little chance of the equivalent being installed at Greenock, but would agree there is the potential for a spin-off of increased activity on the Clyde.

Greenock Ocean Terminal
Yes, we have to keep up with tourism, which is a major earner for Scotland – think someone needs to look at the cost of the project, compared to the potential income?

Arrivals – Meadowside and Merklands – 1962
Respectfully Colin, I hadn’t intended going that far back, but immediately from reading your post, you interestingly list arrivals from 2nd July to 24th December 1962, call that 6 months, 26 weeks; you list 31 ships and refer to this as a “selection” of arrivals, implying there were more – the listing itself means nearly 3 ships every 2 weeks arriving at these quaysides alone – how many were there arriving at the many other docksides?

Further investigation required………
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Re: The Future of the Clyde

Post by Allan » Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:54 pm

Comments on this thread have so far related to the activity of cargo vessels in the river, and the decline thereof. But we cannot forget the River’s industrial history which is, acceptably, in an irreversible decline – would appear this article in The Herald today is another nail in the coffin for the shipbuilding industry.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1510 ... ast_yards/
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Re: The Future of the Clyde

Post by clydesider » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:07 pm

The covered building berth at Scotstoun should never have been demolished until it was 100% certain that work on the erection of the originally proposed frigate factory was about to start. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!
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Re: The Future of the Clyde

Post by Colin Campbell » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:22 pm

Harbour & Traffic Department Glasgow 28/10/1957. Berthage Provisionally Allocated To Vessels Due or Expected. Clyde Navigation Trust.

Mountpark Due 29th 225t Iron Ore Rothesay Dock
World Luck 31st 9500t Iron Ore Rothesay Dock
Diamantis Pateras 1st 10850t Iron Ore Rothesay Dock
Khios Breeze 2nd 10309t Iron Ore Rothesay Dock
Parkgate 28th 9600t Iron Ore Rothesay Dock
Atlantic Pride 4th 11115t Iron Ore Rothesay Dock
Superiority 28th 2500t Cement clinker Rothesay Dock
Dunstan 31st 1688t General
Sunrose 31st 1635t General
Karna Dan 30th ???t Pack Fruit
Akti 1st 9275t Coal
Aua 1st 2400t Phosphates
Lagos Palm 4th 2852t General
Bulgaria 5th 10th 700 Cottonseed Cake
Carnatic 9th 1034t General
James Lykes 10th 3752t General & Bulk Silphur
Western Prince 11th 444t General
Coptic 14th 1278t General
Neleus 14th 1466t General
Corfu Island 29th 5200t Grain
Spurt 2/3rd 520t Wheat
Ivinghoe Beacon 8th 4500t Grain
American Packer 28th 406t General 8 Yorkhill
Assiout 31st 685t General 5 Queens Dock
Alpera 30th 575t General 30 Queens Dock
Gartwood 3rd 179t General 32 Queens Dock
Ballygilbert 30th 700t Pyrites Cinders S W Princes Dock
Wairangi 29th 1023t General 77 Plantation
Seafox 30th 20t Stores K G V
Clan Sinclair 30th 528t General K G V
Clan Mackay 6th 527t General K G V
Clan Mactavish 28th 1000t General 7 K G V
Clan Macaulay 8th 1320t General 8 K G V
Archangelesk 28th 4921t Pig Iron 10 K G V
Lloydcrest 30th 9076t Coal 10 K G V
City of Manchester 30th To Load 2/3 Princes Dock
City of Ely 5th To Load 1 Princes Dock
Obuasi 8th To Load 19 Princes Dock
Durham 31st To Load 65 Plantation
Port Nelson 9th To Load 65 Plantation
Huntingdon 8th To Load 73 Plantation
Alja 29th To Load N W QueensDock
Ballyhill 29th To Load Coke N W Queens Dock
Australia Star 30th To Load 62 Stobcross
Skauvaan 9th To Load K G V
Arabritt 10th To Load K G V
Bore VII 17th To Load K G V
Clan Mactaggart 7th To Drydock & Load
Geelong Star 8th
Maltasian 12th
City of Birmingham 29th

Launches YEWCROFT 28th -1530 James Lamont & Co to James Watt Dock.


Copy of scrap paper found inside a Clyde Trust Booklet. Can picture some of named ships How great we once were.! Colin

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