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Post by alasdairmac » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:01 am

BBC Scotland news is this morning reporting that the "Falls of Clyde", up until recently a museum ship moored at Honolulu in Hawaii, is to be returned to the Clyde early next year. Full story here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... t-46149427. Great news and congratulations to whoever it is behind this ambitious plan.

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Post by Allan » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:03 pm

Belatedly, many thanks for this info Alasadair –

Been doing some research into this – according to http://www.friendsoffallsofclyde.org/ships-log as at 1st December 2018, appears the scheduled departure is 3rd February 2019 with an ETA “in Scotland” of 28th March.

The transportation is being done by Sevenstar Yacht Transport – would appear however that “financial support is needed to help underwrite the move”.

Think we need to "wait and see"......
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Post by Allan » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:47 pm

According to "The Friends of Falls of Clyde" website, the move back to Scotland, departing 3rd February, has been cancelled.

Save the Falls of Clyde International – the group responsible for the move, have said that they are “not ready”.

However, apparently the clock is ticking – the State DOT-Harbors Division has given a deadline of 6th February “to remove the ship”.
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Post by Allan » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:41 pm

Report in the Greenock Telegraph, SV “Falls of Clyde” is sinking.

https://www.greenocktelegraph.co.uk/new ... /#gallery0

Still waiting on an update on http://www.friendsoffallsofclyde.org/ships-log - they usually give an update twice-monthly, as to the current situation – historically, a bit late for their month-end update…
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Post by Allan » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:40 pm

Update now lodged -

Looks like the proprietors of “The Friends of Falls of Clyde” are having problems.
Their latest update confirms there have been issues – full details at http://www.friendsoffallsofclyde.org/ships-log

Basically, the ship’s integrity has been compromised, weaknesses have revealed water inlets which have been what appears to be temporarily repaired.

However, the Harbour Authorities are taking a stance, in that the ship must be moved, for the safety of the harbour.
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Post by Allan » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:37 pm

Been having a look at the Notice of Public Auction, issued by the Harbors Division of the Department of Transportation of the State of Hawaii:–

Potential bidders have/had until today to inspect the vessel and its contents, “at their own risk”.

Each bid must be accompanied by a Performance Bond of $1,500,00.00 guaranteeing the removal of the vessel within 60 days from the Bill of Sale.

The entire vessel must be removed from the Honolulu Harbor within 60 days of the Bill of Sale.

10% of the bid payable at the fall of the hammer, balance payable within 30 days of Bill of Sale.

Bids must be received no later than 1100hrs 28th February 219, public announcement of the winning bidder will be made at 1300hrs 28th February 2019.

Looking forward to see what happens……
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Post by Allan » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:32 am

Update on the “Friends of Falls of Clyde” indicates that the ship has not been sold.

Only three parties made themselves known at the “open house” day on 15th February - on the day of the auction, no qualified bidders had appeared; the fact that a $1.5million bond was required is thought to have been a major stumbling block.

The Harbors Division apparently now have three options:-
a) Negotiate a sale
b) Transfer the ship to another government organisation
c) Remove and destroy the ship.

‘Friends of Falls of Clyde’ is looking into the legal options to try and forestall the last option.
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Post by Allan » Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:42 pm

Update on the position here –

Information posted on 18th March indicates that Friends of Falls of Clyde (FOFOC) were instructed to remove all property from the ship, and remove their lock from the Pier Gate.

Their response was to write to the Harbors Division, highlighting five issues: -

a) Challenging the auction, on the grounds that the requirement to post a bond of $1.5 million undermined the process.
b) Asserting violation of owners’ rights to ship access.
c) Asking for confirmation of awareness of Federal and State requirements re negative action toward a national historic landmark.
d) Information relating to costs of removing the ship from the harbour, as this would be “public expenditure”.
e) FOFOC are seeking legal advice on protecting ownership rights.

Would appear this is heading towards legal action and, regrettably, unavoidable costs – no doubt something FOFOC will not be relishing.
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Post by Allan » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:14 pm

Extract from the bi-montlhy update on FFOC website:-

The FFOC are still waiting for a response to their questions to the Harbors Division; on the down side, they cannot access the pier and ship independently and the Harbors Division have appointed a contractor to ostensibly maintain the ship.

FFOC have been advised that the Harbors Division has not yet approached any regulatory agencies, nor have any plans been set out by them.

FFOC are consulting with the National Trust for Historic Preservation, as to the regulatory and legal issues.

They report no progress as to arranging heavy lift/transport with a view to removing the Falls of Clyde; if this could be achieved, it would help to appease the Harbors Division.
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Post by Allan » Tue May 07, 2019 1:14 pm

No material developments last month -

There is nothing material to report and we feel like we are in a state of limbo. The Harbors Division has still not responded to the questions we have asked nor has Save Falls of Clyde International been able to finalize the contract with a heavy lift company to move the ship. We continue to hope for the best, but time is running out for the Scotland Plan to be successful.

(Reproduced with kind permission of Bruce McEwan, President of ”The Friends of Falls of Clyde”)
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Post by Allan » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:56 pm

Update posted today from “The Friends of Falls of Clyde” –

We have asked Harbors if we can move Falls of Clyde to the Diamond Head side of Pier 7 after Kulamanu is moved to give us a more solid area to move things on and off the ship.

Also, we are working with Save Falls of Clyde International to provide information so that a schedule can be set for repatriating Falls of Clyde.


(Reproduced with kind permission of Bruce McEwan, President of ”The Friends of Falls of Clyde”)
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Post by clydesider » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:50 pm

A wee bit of publicity for this venture with an article in The Herald on Sunday yesterday.
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Post by Allan » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:49 pm

Update from "The Friends of Falls of Clyde", posted Monday 1st July:-

We have been working to meet the requirements that David O’Neill of Save Falls of Clyde International needs to complete the repatriation plan. It appears that there needs to be communication between technical experts to determine the scope of a structural condition survey requested. Hopefully this will be worked out shortly.
We still have had no communication from Harbors Division. We have filed a complaint with the State Ombuds Office to investigate why we have not gotten replies to our communication going back to March 12, 2019. Hopefully that will get us the answers we need. We also had to file a complaint with the Office of Information Practices, because Harbors Division did not respond to our request for a copy of the repairs done in January when there were leaks in the bow. The work was done under Harbors Division’s emergency contract with PENCO, but as owner we have a right to the repair report, which hopefully will come shortly.
On the positive side, although Harbors Division has stated in their press release that Falls of Clydeis being prepared to be moved, there has been no contact with the EPA, Coast Guard or State Division of Historic Preservation. The disrespect that Harbors Division has shown is unbelievable for a State agency that is supposed to serve the citizens of Hawaii.


(Reproduced with kind permission of Bruce McEwan, President of ”The Friends of Falls of Clyde”)
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Post by Allan » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:51 pm

Update from "The Friends of Falls of Clyde", posted Monday 3rd August:-

Our contact with the State oversight offices did get us responses from Harbors Division. Unfortunately the reply to our March 12 letter was not answers to the issues we raised, but only a comment that Harbors is following the procedures they have started. The request for the report on the bow repairs did come in once Harbors got the letter from the Office of Information Practices advising them that they violated the time to provide requested documents. A copy of what we received was sent to David O’Neill as he had requested.

Friends of Falls of Clyde’s board has been concerned that time is limited to protect the ship from adverse action by Harbors Division. We continue to communicate with the regulatory agencies that must give approval before Harbors can remove Falls of Clyde. We know that so far no contacts have been made, but the Scotland Plan for repatriation has got to be completed soon. We have sent O’Neill our position on how to finalize the move, but have had no reply. We have a letter from Harbors Division stating that they will release the ship from impoundment when there is a vessel here to remove the Falls..


(Reproduced with kind permission of Bruce McEwan, President of ”The Friends of Falls of Clyde”)
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Post by Allan » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:25 pm

Monthly update from "The Friends of Falls of Clyde", posted Sunday 1st September:-

Unfortunately, we have nothing substantive to report this month. There has been no update from Save Falls of Clyde International. The board of FFOC is open to any suggestions about how we can meet Harbors Division’s requirement to remove the Falls of Clyde from Honolulu Harbor. The weather has been good so Harbors Division has not taken steps to push the removal.

For some reason, the question of ownership has come up. Friends of Falls of Clyde is the legal owner, although Harbors Division has control due to the impoundment. However, they have given us clear steps to get release of the ship to Friends of Falls of Clyde:

1.The identification of local 24-hour contacts for both Friends of Falls of Clyde and the heavy-lift ship who are authorized to speak for and act on behalf of the two vessels;
2.Arrival of a designated heavy-lift ship to Honolulu Harbor;
3.Compliance by Friends of Falls of Clyde and the captain and crew of the heavy-lift ship with U.S. Coast Guard guidance on ship movements within Sector Honolulu; and.
4.Compliance by the Friends of Falls of Clyde with all applicable federal and state laws.

We can meet these requirements and are prepared to work with Save Falls of Clyde International to coordinate with the heavy-lift ship or alternate carrier that they put under contract.

(Reproduced with kind permission of Bruce McEwan, President of ”The Friends of Falls of Clyde”)
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Post by Allan » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:07 pm

Although there has been no significant activity this month, September has been an important month. It was September 2008 when Friends of Falls of Clyde acquired ownership of Falls of Clyde from Bishop Museum.

September 2017 was the first month that a heavy lift ship was to pick up Falls of Clyde to take her to Scotland, which unfortunately never happened. September 2018 was the deadline agreed to with Harbors Division that Save Falls of Clyde International was to arrange for Falls of Clyde to be to be picked up for its journey to Scotland and again this did not occur.

September 2019 was another silent month from Save Falls of Clyde International. However, FFOC did hear about a possible source for moving Falls of Clyde to the West Coast. It is a longshot, but we must pursue any option that could materialize to save our beloved ship.


(Reproduced with kind permission of Bruce McEwan, President of ”The Friends of Falls of Clyde”)
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Post by Allan » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:54 pm

The good news during this period is that we learned that direct communication has been set up between Save Falls of Clyde International (SFOCI) and the Harbors Division.
SFOCI is still progressing in getting support for the future of Falls of Clyde, but the arrangements to remove the ship from Honolulu Harbor have still not come together. Apparently the new deadline is sometime in December 2019. We noted that the Harbors Division is still requiring a $1.5 million performance bond as part of the project to move the ship. That requirement resulted in the failure of Harbor’s auction process.
Because FFOC has insurance underwriting expertise on the board, we contacted the leadership at the Harbors Division, pointed out that the bond requirement could never be met, and asked that they remove that requirement and work with SFOCI to come to reasonable terms to meet what should be a mutual goal.


(Reproduced with kind permission of Bruce McEwan, President of ”The Friends of Falls of Clyde”)
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