Diesel pioneers

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Diesel pioneers

Post by Deepol » Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:57 am

Some photos of the pioneering Main Line diesels on Britain's rail system.
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10000-SideElevation--002.jpg
Side elevation of the LMS diesel 10000
10000-building-Derby-2.jpg
Building at Derby
10000-RolloutDerbyDec1947.jpg
Roll out in December 1947. 10001 came out in 1948 so was a British Railways' loco.
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Re: Diesel pioneers

Post by Deepol » Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:16 pm

In service. They worked on the Southern for a while but were remembered most for double heading the Royal Scot from Euston to Glasgow and return. I saw them at Glasgow Central when expecting an LM Pacific......
10000 was withdrawn quite early in the 60s and dumped at Derby Works. 10001 soldiered on until about 1968 only appearing on the occasional peak train from Euston or on weekend ballast trains. She too was dumped in Derby and cut up. Sadly preservation never took place.
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10000-10001-poster.jpg
BR poster featuring them
10001-Willesden.jpg
10001 in her usual position in Willesden's Roundhouse
10000-10001-RoyalScot.JPG
Double heading the Royal Scot
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Re: Diesel pioneers

Post by Deepol » Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:40 pm

Oliver Bulleid designed a 1Co-Co1 diesel in 1945, the first of which did not appear until 1950 as BR 10201. Two others followed and they worked on the Southern along with 10000/01 for evaluation eventually also transferring to the LM double heading the Royal Scot.
They all were withdrawn in the early 1960s as well being sent to Derby Works where I saw them forlorn in a scrap line. Eventually the torch claimed them as well and preservation if ever considered never happened. They did spawn the English Electric Type 4 however.
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10202-depBournemouthCentral.jpg
10202 at Bournemouth
10203.jpg
Colour portrait of 10203. They all eventually were painted Brunswick Green.
D200-Norfolkman-GE.JPG
D200 the first EE Type 4 on a BR publicity pic on the Norfolkman.
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Re: Diesel pioneers

Post by Deepol » Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:54 pm

BR's own Main Line diesels appeared in 1959, a 1Co-Co1 loco, Sulzer engined built at Derby. The first 10 received names of English and Welsh mountains giving them the nickname of Peaks which stuck, the class eventually reaching 193 locos numbered appropriately from D1.
As classes 44, 45, 46 they lasted well into the 1980s before all were withdrawn. There are quite a number preserved.
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D1ScafellPike-Toton18April71--006.jpg
D1 nameplate taken at Toton the first 10's eventual home in 1971.
D1ScafellPike-Eagle 002.jpg
Classic EAGLE cutaway
D1ScafellPike-naming-Carlisle.jpg
D1 gets her name at Carlisle.
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Re: Diesel pioneers

Post by Deepol » Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:39 am

A first and a last featuring 10000/10001; the first diesel hauled Royal Scot from Euston and the last run for a Polmadie driver.
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10000-10001-depEuston1948-49-postNationalisationDownRoyalScot-1June1949- 004.JPG
The first diesel hauled Royal Scot leaving Euston 1 June 1949.
10001-10000-GlasgowCentral-UpRoyalScot-DriverTCurrieRetiral-MrUnderwood-MrWebster-002.jpg
The last run for driver Currie from Polmadie prior to retiral. Mr Underwood and Mr Webster Motive Power Supers see him off
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as well as spotter David Spruell........
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Re: Diesel pioneers

Post by Magoonigal » Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:21 pm

Very interesting, Thanks Paul.
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Re: Diesel pioneers

Post by Deepol » Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:32 pm

I worked with Mr Webster in the 60s- a character if ever there was one. Wonder if I should trace Mr Spruell and give him a shock........
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Re: Diesel pioneers

Post by Deepol » Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:26 pm

An old diagram showing 10000's internals, a pic taken at Willesden when she gained Brunswick Green but retained the white mid body line and a semi official LMS photo of her at Derby in 1947 resplendent in black and silver.
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Post by Deepol » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:01 pm

The return of the inaugural diesel hauled Royal Scot from Glasgow Central in June 1949.
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Re: Diesel pioneers

Post by Deepol » Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:19 pm

Some more on the diesel pioneers.
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10000-10001-EagleCutaway-1.jpg
Copy of Eagle cutaway sent to me the other day.
10000-train-early-LMS-possibly.jpg
10000 early on in her career.
10203-RoyalScot.jpg
10203 on the Royal Scot. She worked alone being 2000hp as opposed to 1600hp of 10201-202.
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Post by Deepol » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:47 pm

Gained from a cupboard unwanted, this photo of 10100 the unusual experimental loco.known as the Fell Diesel Locomotive after L.F.R. Fell who was one of the designers.It was a joint production between Davey Paxman & Co, Shell and Fell and was built at Derby being delivered in 1950 though LMS in origin. She had six engines, four for traction and two auxiliaries. She was originally built as a 4-8-4 with the coupling rods connecting the centre four pairs of driving wheels but later modified to 4-4+4-4. At 2000 hp it was the most powerful of BR's locomotives at the time next to Bulleid 10203.
10100 worked mostly between Manchester and Euston and lasted till 1958 withdrawn after a serious gearbox fire at Manchester and was broken up in Derby Works about 1960.
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Re: Diesel pioneers

Post by Deepol » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:44 pm

Some more early memories of 10000 from the loft.
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10000-first-run-depStPancras.jpg
A bit bashed but a record of her first run from St Pancras. Mr Ivatt climbing aboard.
10000-cab-Mr.H.G.Ivatt.jpg
What do I do now..... Mr.Ivatt getting to grips with his creation.
10000_Euston.jpg
Wot is it? Wonderment at Euston
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Re: Diesel pioneers

Post by Deepol » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:55 pm

Let's not forget the Bulleids.
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1020x-1020x-RoyalScot.jpg
10201/202 on the Royal Scot.
10202-SouthernRegionExpress.jpg
10202 on the Southern before transfer over to the LM Region
10000-10202-10203-Derby.jpg
10202/ 10203 and 10000 neglected at Derby. I remember seeing them all lying there on a Works visit in 1965.
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Re: Diesel pioneers

Post by Deepol » Wed Oct 14, 2015 9:45 pm

Sequence from a BR film featured in a tv documentary of 10000/10001 leaving Euston with the Royal Scot.
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10000-prepdepEuston-RoyalScot-2a.jpg
The Classic platform discussion so much a part of railway life.
10000Driver-Euston.jpg
Study in concentration-waiting for the off
10000-10001-RoyalScot-dep.Euston.jpg
Away we go- 401 miles to go.....
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Re: Diesel pioneers

Post by Deepol » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:36 pm

The BTH Type 1, 44 of which were built by the British Thomson- Houston company in the late 1950s. They were mainly used on local freights or as seen here on Station Pilot duties at Liverpool Street station in London. Some if I remember rightly started off on the LM Region but eventually all ended up on the Great Eastern section of the Eastern Region.
They were reasonably successful and survived long enough to become Class 15 for the TOPS Computer System on BR but all were away by the 1970s. Don't know if any ever carried 15 numbers.
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D8234 at Liverpool Street. They ran from 8200-43.
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Re: Diesel pioneers

Post by Deepol » Tue May 10, 2016 12:04 pm

The postcard of 10000 out on the Willesden Breakdown Train in the 1960s which was readily available on bookstalls.
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Re: Diesel pioneers

Post by Deepol » Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:20 am

A couple of photos from the collection of the late Jon Gerralde courtesy of Mike Redmayne showing two of the first ten of the BR/ Sulzer Type 4s named after English and Welsh mountains which gave them and the rest of the Class the nickname of Peaks. Some if not all were Carlisle based around 1960. I remember seeing D1 Scafell Pike at what I later knew as Kingmoor in 1960.
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D4 Great Gable at Lancaster from collection Jon Gerralde .jpg
D4 Great Gable arriving at Lancaster with an Up express in that time zone.
D10 Tryfan at Perth from collection of Jon Gerralde .jpg
They did come North but amazed to find as far as Perth as this shot of D10 Tryfan testifies. Again around the 1960-61 time.
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Re: Diesel pioneers

Post by Deepol » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:59 am

10203 was 2000hp and was not fitted for multiple working. She was in essence the pioneer English Electric Type 4. This cutting shows her working the Royal Scot on her own in the Lune Gorge.
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Re: Diesel pioneers

Post by Deepol » Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:07 am

A couple of memories of the Fell Locomotive 10100.
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Cutaway Eagle drawing from Ebay US.
10100-train-.jpg
Out on an express from Manchester to Euston, her fairly regular run.
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Re: Diesel pioneers

Post by Deepol » Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:00 am

It's not too apparent on this shot but 10202 is behind 10201 at Glasgow Central in the late 1950s heading the Royal Scot.
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